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Blackberry Creek Dam Removal Update, So, What’s the Point?

To play catch up, you can read the past progress reports here.
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So, what’s the point of removing an eight to ten foot tall 175 year old dam near the mouth of a creek and not making fish migrations up the creek as easy as possible on the fish?

This isn’t happening on the new and improved Blackberry Creek. I’ve been harping on this subject since I’ve seen them put in riffles that make no sense and not taking the old dam down about another foot.

If you take the time to go through some of these posts you’ll see a number of those comments.

To get this gripe session out of the way, it starts with riffle #1. I can’t think of one logical reason why this is built the way it is.

It’s too high, there’s no need to have those wing dams on the side in order to increase the water velocity. If you look at the pictures on the post I made with flood pictures in it, this area looked like a whitewater park. There’s no need for that. From this spot to the base of the now gone dam is about 500 yards. In that distance the creek bed drops around eight feet. That’s plenty of velocity. Plus, I can’t imagine this makes this riffle any more convenient for fish passage.

The same goes for riffle #2.

A half hour on each riffle and those wing dams could be pulled off to the side and the height of them taken down a foot or two.

At the dam, it should have been taken down another foot. It should not look like this.

In another post I suggest filling the old scour hole below the dam with rock till it comes up to the same level as the base of the dam. I don’t want to hear about how they’re unwilling to do this. In the last few days they’ve already dumped a lot of rock in here up against the bridge abutment.

What’s the big deal to extend that out further, it doesn’t even have to be that high. Just enough to get rid of the mini waterfall that’s been created and to make fish passage that much easier. Just this past week I was fishing in this spot. Why not make things easier for fish like this…

They changed the course of Blackberry Creek again in order to fix the damage done by the floods and to finally get the coffer dam out of there. I’ll bet they’re done by the end of the week with the weather the way it is.

This killed the fishing in the pool below the old dam. Eight missed little hits and three little things barely worth reeling in.

Did finally get to see the ever elusive gar. I’ve heard that they dwell in the stretch from Yorkville all the way down. I’ve assumed some of the porpoising I’ve seen over the years were them, it’s different than carp, but never could verify that.

Saw a school of a half dozen gar cruising around the pool. Maybe that’s why all the other fish went away. I have no clue what gar snack on. Beautiful fish though. Two of them were well over three feet long.

In another recent post I put up a summary of the amount of time I’ve spent on the Fox River over the past 18 years…

This year marks my 18th year of fishing the Fox River and it’s creeks.

On the low side I estimate I’ve made a little over 1,300 trips out to the river or one of it’s creeks.

Each wading trip consisted of at least two miles for an estimate of 2,600 miles. Since I also have to walk the shores to get to where I want to wade, that’s another 2,600 miles walking along their banks. I know both those numbers are actually higher.

Add to this the amount of time I’ve spent canoeing, wandering along the river just for the stroll or simply sitting on the bank watching the water flow. I may not have a wide variety of degrees to justify my opinion on how the creek has been screwed up, but I do know one thing, I know how rivers and creeks work and look and what’s been done to Blackberry Creek completely misses the mark.

Okay, done with that. I think I’m going to track down the engineering firm responsible for this project and send them a link to this post. Somebody has to listen sooner or later.

With the dry weather and the creek flow back to normal, they’ve shut down the creek again so they can finish off the work and repair all the damage done by the flood.

All the water is again being squeezed through the bypass.

Upstream at the coffer dam the hole has been plugged.

The massive washout caused by the flood has been filled.

A lot of what was left behind the coffer dam and in the creek has been removed and the shores are getting rebuilt with rock.

I wish I could be there the day they yank the coffer dam. Then it’s a sure sign that things are pretty much done.

I’m hoping they do a pretty thorough clean up inspection. I’m starting to get the feeling that a big steel plate lying on the creek bed just above riffle #1 has been forgotten about. It’s still sitting buried in the water.

And of course I guess I should mention the other reason for this project, the rebuilding of the bridge. This past week has seen quite a bit of progress made…

I’ll probably take more pictures of the bridge as it gets worked on, but I won’t talk about it much.

Frankly, I wish they wouldn’t bother with it. I like things the way they are and the lack of car traffic through here is no great loss.

Blackberry Creek Dam Removal Update, the NEW Yorkville Whitewater Park

To play catch up, you can read the past progress reports here.
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This post is going to be a work in progress for the next few days. It is loaded with before, during and after photos that I wanted to get up here while the Flood of 2013 is still fresh in everybody’s heads. I have a jumble of words running around in my head and having this to look at will help me sort it all out. More will be added every day, images will appear and disappear and their order will be changed, but eventually I’ll get this done the way I like.

Comments are shut off for now. I’ll probably delete this and repost it as new when I’m satisfied with it. I don’t know how to move comments and if any are made, I don’t want to lose them. So, bear with me.

For those that have been following along, keep in mind how I’ve been lambasting the stupidity of the riffles that have been installed. They are what’s causing part of the whitewater effect, which some will view as a good thing, but they are also the cause of some of the problems.
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With this Blackberry Creek Dam Removal Update I am unofficially announcing the opening of the NEW Yorkville Whitewater Park.

It’s so new that I’m not sure the City of Yorkville is even aware of it yet.

Looks inviting, doesn’t it?

Blackberry Creek Dam Removal Update, Dam Free Finally and Work to be Done

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This is a long one, you’ve been forewarned.

This Blackberry Creek Dam Removal Update is the beginning of the end of my weekly updates. I have one more to put together about the flooding that is currently occurring all around the area, but to continue these on a weekly basis no longer makes sense. Primarily because what I wanted accomplished is done, the dam is gone and the creek is once again flowing.

I know the replacing of the bridge is important, but I kind of like it this way. I can’t imagine that the few people that live down this long road care. Five thousand fewer cars now come through here, they’re all just avoiding traffic on Route 34 anyway. Too bad for them. No more drag racing down this road, I can hear that happening from the other side of the river. I hear the people that live down this stretch are using the road as a bike and walking path. You can’t beat that. I say leave the bridge out.

I had stopped at the creek earlier last week primarily to go fishing for about a half hour. I did well for such a short time and you can read about that here.

Of course I had to take a few photos of the work that had been accomplished. We had been getting some rain and I was concerned that would delay any further work, but further upstream they had put in the rock for the third set of riffles.

Notice all the mud on the creek bed. That will come up again later.

The fish caught were all in this pool below the former dam, like they were staging here patiently waiting for flowing water again.

Saturday when the dam was gone and the creek was flowing there were even more fish. Only, mostly carp. This is the time of year when carp and suckers make a spawning run up the creeks. They were in pretty thick.

It was good to see the water no longer flowing through the bypass channel.

Sunday I got out to document the full length of all the work. There are some things that have been done that I think should be modified a bit. I’m no engineer, but one of the things I’ve done a lot of over the last 17 years is spend countless hours walking around in rivers and creeks. I like to think I’m a pretty good observer. One of the things I do know is that a free flowing creek should look like this.

One of the things I’ve been questioning right from the start is the installation of riffles. The riffles themselves I have no problem with, it’s how they’ve been constructed. There is no reason in the world why they should look like this first set of riffles.

The rocks in the foreground look almost natural, further back they don’t. There’s no reason to neck down the creek likes this or to have the rocks that much higher. The same goes for the second set of riffles.

This narrowing of the channel is completely unnecessary. I hear this is done to increase water velocity, but this section of the creek doesn’t need that. From the first set of riffles to the base of the now removed dam the creek bed drops almost eight feet in a length of about 500 yards. That’s a steep enough drop and the current will flow through at a pretty good pace on it’s own.

The third set of riffles aren’t as bad. This is just upstream of the third set. They look like riffles should look like.

Then you come across these.

Man has this incessant need to put things in straight lines. There are no straight lines in nature. At least they didn’t narrow down the creek with more rock and this one isn’t that tall. I would think it would be easy to go down there with one of the buckets and move these around. Get rid of the straight line and lower the height a bit. If they don’t do it, I will. I know I’ll be down there at low water throwing those rocks around till it looks the way I think it should look.

You’ll also notice in the two pictures above that all the mud is gone. Creeks tend to cleanse themselves.

I also think they should have gone down another foot or so when they took out the dam.

As I stood here watching, I saw a few carp swim up this spot and continue on upstream. I’m assuming other species are doing the same. I’ve seen this on all the creeks I’ve fished that feed the Fox.

The problem is, this is at slightly high water and there is a decent flow of water going over the old dam site. During the summer the lip of the old dam will be more like a small waterfall. Anything wanting to get upstream is going to have to jump. Why not make it easier on them. Take a couple of buckets of all those rocks and dump them in the old scour hole created by the dam. Dump in enough of them to bring the rock up to the level of the old dam. Fish would find that much easier to navigate rather than jumping.

If that doesn’t get done, I’ll be doing it myself. Every time I come here I’ll wander along the shore, picking up rocks and dumping them into that hole till I get the depth I think it needs. This will probably take quite some time to accomplish, but I have time and I know I’ll be fishing here enough.

Right now the channel does look little sterile, but all new construction tends to look like that.

Time will have grasses and trees growing along the banks. Water tends to even move rocks around and some of those will start making their way further out into the creek. They might even get a little help from me whenever I walk along here.

In the parking lot by the pond is a pile of boulders.

All over the Fox River and in all of it’s creeks, I find boulders like this sitting out in the current. I call them my sitting rocks. They’re remains of when the glaciers receded from this area and left them laying around. I take advantage of them when I come across them. The perfect spot to sit and take in my surroundings. If they aren’t going to do anything with these, they should consider scattering them out in the creek. I know I would take advantage of the opportunity to sit a spell out in the middle of the creek.

There’s still a lot of work to be done around the site. The whole area looks pretty well destroyed.

The original plans call for a lot of plantings to be put in place. The grasses will soften things up quickly, but it will take many years for the trees to establish themselves through here. I’m going to enjoy documenting the progress over the next couple of years.

The creek still needs some work. The coffer dam is still in place.

In order to get the creek flowing again, all they did was move a big steel plate out of the way a little and take out some of the dirt.

I’m sure the plan was to get this out of here as quickly as possible and rebuild these shorelines, but the rain kept screwing that up. In my next post I’ll show how the recent flooding has made this worse.

Back at the pond, things are getting back to normal. The pond is back up to normal levels again.

I met a couple that lives in one of the houses on the hill overlooking this area. I didn’t write down their names, so, of course, I’ve forgotten them. The couple was concerned that all the turtles have died off. A big snapping turtle used to walk up the hill to lay eggs by their house. I did see a good sized snapping turtle in the area and other turtles are still coming out to sun themselves.

Last but not least are found objects. Not much left, but I still come across an occasional curiosity.

This is the fourth doorknob set I’ve found along the creek. Somebody living at the top of that hill did a lot of renovating in the past.

Blackberry Creek Dam Removal Update, Dam Free and a Fishing Report

To play catch up, you can read the past progress reports here.
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In the past week I’ve wandered over to the Blackberry Creek Dam Removal site three times. I have over 50 photos to go through and a brain full of crap to sort out. Neither of which I’m in the mood to do. I’ll get to it.

First and foremost, the dam is gone and Blackberry Creek is dam free for the first time in over 175 years.

But my initial ventures to the creek were for fish. Documenting things would come later. I wanted to catch something, see if the fish were up here, patiently waiting. I got out one day before the water was flowing.

I caught a couple of these.

A couple of these.

And even one of these came out to play.

To put things in perspective, on Saturday I went to the two other creeks to see if fish were finally moving in. They were high from the rain, but clear. I could see the bottom clearly in five foot deep pools and I could see clearly that they were still devoid of life. I should clarify that.

I saw a minnow.

But that was it. I walked them and fished them and cut it short, the water was ice cold. I knew I was wasting my time.

Saturday was when I took the photo at the top. Of course I was there to fish, not explore. Fish were in, carp after carp. I even hooked one in the mouth and landed it, but it was camera shy. Which is fine by me, I hate handling those slimy things. After rolling and foul hooking another 30 or so, I gave up. The carp were in too thick.

What a difference between the creeks. One teeming with life, the other two barren. I have my theories. Springs on the other two, those two also dried up pretty good in last year’s drought. Other theories, but the fish always come back. Just have to be patient on the one hand and there when they arrive on the other.

Sounds easy enough.

And, for those that need to know… a three inch Producto Spring Grub, in Pearl, on a plain head 1/16th ounce jig with a 1/0 hook from Cabela’s. It catches everything, even carp.

Why switch now.

It Only Seems Appropriate

I went out early Saturday afternoon with the intention of creek fishing. Standing on the bridge, peering down into the water, I was met with the exact same thing I had been seeing for the past two weeks.

Absolutely nothing.

No life whatsoever. And, to top it off, the winds were brutal. I gave up without even trying to start. Why frustrate myself.

Later in the day there were bug hatches along the Fox River, in my neighborhood and down around Blackberry Creek.

So Sunday morning I stopped by the same creeks again. Same bridge, peered down in the water, still nothing. Sometimes you get lucky and things turn on quickly, this wasn’t one of the lucky times. I knew I was going to get out fishing six or seven hours later.

Plenty of time to think of where to go, but definitely not here.

Later I opted to fish Blackberry Creek rather than drive another eight miles or so to a creek I knew was dead water. I had a feeling Blackberry might be the same, but I didn’t know that for certain. Good enough odds for me.

Somebody must be reading my blog posts about the Blackberry Creek Dam Removal project. Saturday evening in the weekly post I make I said this and put up a picture…

But first, a word from our sponsor…

If that sign is still laying in that spot next week, it’s new home is going to be in my backyard.

The time stamp on the above photo says I took that shot at 4:08 PM on Saturday. The picture below was taken at 5:20 PM on Sunday, just over 24 hours later. So much for putting the sign in my yard, plus they ruined it by drilling holes into it.

I started out fishing in the deep pool below the former dam. Got a tentative hit, or I should say I completely blew the hook set. No, it was a tentative hit. I’m sure of it.

I then walked down the creek all the way to the mouth. There were good signs. Minnows were dimpling the surface in the slack areas and I could see them sunning themselves in the shallows. Though this creek can get crowded with migrating carp and suckers, I saw none swimming around. But, further downstream carp were jumping. Not a lot, but the first I’ve seen so far this year.

Not a hit all the way down, but I knew something was in there. I can smell spawning fish and I was definitely smelling that smell. Maybe the minnows? Nothing else was around.

Did run into another angler. He hasn’t been doing well either so far this year. Lots of comparisons were made to last year this time, but it’s not really fair to do that. Granted, this year is odd on the no fish side, but last year was odd just the opposite. No middle ground this year.

I did try to tell him about other areas to go try. Years ago I used to live in Elmhurst, 25 miles from the Fox. I still learned the river and it’s creeks. Every nook and cranny. Now living a two minute walk from the river in Yorkville, been living here for almost eight years, I know even more.

This angler said he’s been living around here forever and yet, directions I take for granted were going right over his head. It’s almost as if he never traveled more than a couple of miles. That or he pays absolutely no attention to his surroundings as he travels.

I think this ability to notice surroundings is what differentiates a good angler from one that may never get it.

Learn how to pay attention. It’s easy, really.

I fished my way back up to the former dam. I thought I would give the pool one more shot. Another tentative hit or blown hook set. You’re call.

And then, the thunk. I always wonder if I hear it, feel it or am just imagining it. The thunk of a smallie. I usually don’t screw up landing one after I get this thunk. It posed nicely for a picture in front of what’s left of the dam.

I’m sure it’s waiting patiently for miles of stream to open up so it can go play and explore.

Which brought to mind something someone in the IDNR should consider doing. There are going to be hundreds of fish coming up this creek in the next month. They do it every year, but for the past 175 years they could only go up to the dam, barely a half mile from the Fox River.

From what I vaguely remember reading, Blackberry Creek is over 25 miles long. I’ve been to stretches 10-15 miles inland that sure look like they would do a pretty good job of holding fish populations. No different than the far upstream locations of other Fox River creeks that I fish.

Would be nice if someone from the IDNR would go to this pool below the old dam in the next week or two, spend the day shocking up fish and tagging them, then let them go.

I’ll be fishing upstream somewhere on Blackberry Creek over the next two years at least. Would be interesting, to me anyway, to catch a tagged fish or two.